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Did President Trump Revoke Gun Background Checks for Mentally Ill People?
April 22 at 11:48 PM

Did President Trump Revoke Gun Background Checks for Mentally Ill People?

In February 2017, President Trump repealed an Obama-era regulation that would have made it easier to block the sale of firearms to people with certain mental illnesses.

CLAIM

President Trump signed a bill blocking Obama-era background checks on guns for people with mental illnesses.

RATING

 MOSTLY TRUE

ORIGIN

In the wake of a horrific school shooting in Parkland, Florida, that left 17 dead in February 2018, media renewed focus on an Obama-era regulation repealed in the early months of the Trump administration. That rule would have given the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which is used for gun sales, access to Social Security Administration data including the names of individuals receiving certain federal mental health benefits.

As we explained in a 17 February 2017 post, this rule — which never went into effect before being rescinded — did not change any existing laws regulating who is allowed to purchase guns. It merely would have provided a new way to enforce existing restrictions on gun sales by allowing a transfer of information from one agency to another. There are now, and have been for some time, laws that seek to limit gun sales to anyone “who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution” per Title 18 section 922(g) of the United States Code. However, according to the Associated Press:

The Obama rule would have prevented an estimated 75,000 people with mental disorders from being able to purchase a firearm. It was crafted as part of Obama’s efforts to strengthen the federal background check system in the wake of the 2012 massacre of 20 young students and six staff at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

The rule was rescinded using a legal procedure called the the Congressional Review Act, which, prior to the Trump Administration, was obscure and little-used. It allows regulations passed in the final days of one administration to be rescinded with a simple majority vote in both chambers of Congress during the first 60 days of a new administration. The Senate sent their repeal of the Obama-era measure for Trump’s signature on 15 February 2017 — almost a year before the Parkland shooting to the day — and Trump signed it into law the next week, on 28 February 2017.

While the law did not change who is required to be the subject of background checks, it is true that Trump signed into law the repeal of a measure that would have plausibly prevented certain classes of mentally ill people from purchasing firearms by allowing a new data source to be included the system that runs those background checks. As such we rank the claim mostly true.

Replies

  • EireLass
    April 23 at 7:16 AM

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.

  • Carpy
    by Carpy
    April 23 at 7:25 AM
    Not to mention the ACLU and Americans with disabilities assoc were against it.

    Quoting EireLass:

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.

  • Billiejeens
    April 23 at 7:35 AM

    She posts this idea -

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

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    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    Quoting Carpy: Not to mention the ACLU and Americans with disabilities assoc were against it.
    Quoting EireLass:

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.


  • MonarchMom22
    April 23 at 7:42 AM

    The term "Mentally Ill" is such a broad category that it isn't generally useful in converstaions about laws.  The law in question pertained to only those who a court had found mentally unfit to oversee their own affairs.  In that case I agree it was a prudent measure, and President Trump did overturn it.

    Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms. Prior to Trump’s overturning the rule on February 28, four Democratic senators and an independent who are up for re-election in 2018 had sided with their Republican colleagues by voting to revoke it.

    The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others.

    The repeal is a significant step for gun advocates. The GOP-controlled Senate in mid-February voted in favor of revoking the resolution, 57-43. Democratic Senators Joe Donnelly (Indiana), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Jon Tester (Montana), along with independent Senator Angus King (Maine), voted with the Republicans.

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulation-557237

  • hotspice58
    April 23 at 11:58 AM

    His father gave them to him; this wouldn't have applied.

  • bluefirewolf
    April 23 at 2:22 PM

    snopes - I think their a pretty good source for debunking falsehoods  - billiejeens you never research anything - you spout fox news bull shit all the time

    Quoting Billiejeens:

    She posts this idea -

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    Quoting Carpy: Not to mention the ACLU and Americans with disabilities assoc were against it.
    Quoting EireLass:

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.



  • Billiejeens
    April 23 at 2:24 PM
    I laugh at the snopes part.

    Quoting bluefirewolf:

    snopes - I think their a pretty good source for debunking falsehoods  - billiejeens you never research anything - you spout fox news bull shit all the time

    Quoting Billiejeens:

    She posts this idea -

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    Quoting Carpy: Not to mention the ACLU and Americans with disabilities assoc were against it.

    Quoting EireLass:

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.

  • bluefirewolf
    April 23 at 2:24 PM

    thanks monarch!

    Quoting MonarchMom22:

    The term "Mentally Ill" is such a broad category that it isn't generally useful in converstaions about laws.  The law in question pertained to only those who a court had found mentally unfit to oversee their own affairs.  In that case I agree it was a prudent measure, and President Trump did overturn it.

    Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms. Prior to Trump’s overturning the rule on February 28, four Democratic senators and an independent who are up for re-election in 2018 had sided with their Republican colleagues by voting to revoke it.

    The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others.

    The repeal is a significant step for gun advocates. The GOP-controlled Senate in mid-February voted in favor of revoking the resolution, 57-43. Democratic Senators Joe Donnelly (Indiana), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Jon Tester (Montana), along with independent Senator Angus King (Maine), voted with the Republicans.

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulation-557237


  • bluefirewolf
    April 23 at 2:25 PM


    The term "Mentally Ill" is such a broad category that it isn't generally useful in converstaions about laws.  The law in question pertained to only those who a court had found mentally unfit to oversee their own affairs.  In that case I agree it was a prudent measure, and President Trump did overturn it.

    Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms. Prior to Trump’s overturning the rule on February 28, four Democratic senators and an independent who are up for re-election in 2018 had sided with their Republican colleagues by voting to revoke it.

    The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others.

    The repeal is a significant step for gun advocates. The GOP-controlled Senate in mid-February voted in favor of revoking the resolution, 57-43. Democratic Senators Joe Donnelly (Indiana), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Jon Tester (Montana), along with independent Senator Angus King (Maine), voted with the Republicans.

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulation-557237

    Quoting Billiejeens: I laugh at the snopes part.
    Quoting bluefirewolf:

    snopes - I think their a pretty good source for debunking falsehoods  - billiejeens you never research anything - you spout fox news bull shit all the time

    Quoting Billiejeens:

    She posts this idea -

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    She waits

    She posts this idea

    It is totally debunked

    Quoting Carpy: Not to mention the ACLU and Americans with disabilities assoc were against it.
    Quoting EireLass:

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.




  • bluefirewolf
    April 23 at 2:25 PM


    The term "Mentally Ill" is such a broad category that it isn't generally useful in converstaions about laws.  The law in question pertained to only those who a court had found mentally unfit to oversee their own affairs.  In that case I agree it was a prudent measure, and President Trump did overturn it.

    Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms. Prior to Trump’s overturning the rule on February 28, four Democratic senators and an independent who are up for re-election in 2018 had sided with their Republican colleagues by voting to revoke it.

    The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can’t manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others.

    The repeal is a significant step for gun advocates. The GOP-controlled Senate in mid-February voted in favor of revoking the resolution, 57-43. Democratic Senators Joe Donnelly (Indiana), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Jon Tester (Montana), along with independent Senator Angus King (Maine), voted with the Republicans.

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulation-557237

    Quoting EireLass:

    It would be better for people to read that law (what Obama put in place) and see why it wasn't a good idea, rather than just believe it stated something to the effect of severe mental defectives not having guns.


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