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Why Is Pushing Creationism So Damn Important to Wingnuts?
January 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM

This is a title from an article which you can read if you click on the link:

Why Is Pushing Creationism So Damn Important to Wingnuts?

However I wanted to discuss the actual question.  Why is it so important for some to push Creationism and to deny Evolution?

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  • littlesippycup
    January 19, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    Why can't we just teach it all? It could be a semester class that briefly covers everything in a factual manner.

  • cammibear
    January 19, 2013 at 12:53 PM
    Maybe because evolution is so dang important to stupid leftwing Marxists...
  • krysstizzle
    January 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM

    Stupid science. Only commies believe in science. 

    Quoting cammibear:

    Maybe because evolution is so dang important to stupid leftwing Marxists...


  • cammibear
    January 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM
    Stupid truth. Only creationists believe in truth. ;)


    Quoting krysstizzle:

    Stupid science. Only commies believe in science. 

    Quoting cammibear:

    Maybe because evolution is so dang important to stupid leftwing Marxists...



  • IhartU
    by IhartU
    January 19, 2013 at 1:00 PM

     

    Quoting littlesippycup:

    Why can't we just teach it all? It could be a semester class that briefly covers everything in a factual manner.

     You can't teach creation as fact because it's not, that's why. It belongs in mythology class.

  • IhartU
    by IhartU
    January 19, 2013 at 1:02 PM

     

    Quoting cammibear:

    Maybe because evolution is so dang important to stupid leftwing Marxists...

     It is and should be important because unlike creationism, there is science to back it up but I see the religious like to ignore fact for fantasy because it's just easier to write 'god' in the blank and call it a day.

  • cammibear
    January 19, 2013 at 1:14 PM
    Wrong. Evolution has zero evidence for origins. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution theories than creation theories, especially when laws of nature point to creation. But keep trying to explain away God.


    Quoting IhartU:

     


    Quoting cammibear:

    Maybe because evolution is so dang important to stupid leftwing Marxists...

     It is and should be important because unlike creationism, there is science to back it up but I see the religious like to ignore fact for fantasy because it's just easier to write 'god' in the blank and call it a day.


  • AutymsMommy
    January 19, 2013 at 1:15 PM

    What would be taught? Literal 6 day creationism? What about us theistic evolutionists? What about those who believe in the alien creation stories?

    Why can't we teach it all? Because there isn't enough time in the day to teach EVERYTHING so that NOBODY gets offended.


    Quoting littlesippycup:

    Why can't we just teach it all? It could be a semester class that briefly covers everything in a factual manner.



  • AutymsMommy
    January 19, 2013 at 1:18 PM

    You're right. Let's just get rid of science class! Who needs it? After all, those same scientists saying evolution, on some level, is fact are the same ones we rely on for most of the facts in science books.



    Quoting cammibear:

    Wrong. Evolution has zero evidence for origins. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution theories than creation theories, especially when laws of nature point to creation. But keep trying to explain away God.


    Quoting IhartU:

     


    Quoting cammibear:

    Maybe because evolution is so dang important to stupid leftwing Marxists...

     It is and should be important because unlike creationism, there is science to back it up but I see the religious like to ignore fact for fantasy because it's just easier to write 'god' in the blank and call it a day.




  • Clairwil
    January 19, 2013 at 1:21 PM

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