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Conservatives who disagree with social programs should not work in community action.
October 11, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Do you think?

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  • macbudsmom
    October 11, 2012 at 1:34 PM
    While CACs function through the help of government dollars they are actually private non profit organizations, not government agencies.

    Quoting survivorinohio:


    Quoting Collier3:

    Why is that ppl find it hard to believe that conservatives can be giving. We do not agree with open ended government social programs, but we do not want the complete end to them. hey should provide assistance to an individual during a tough time in their lives to get them back on track. Not to be the only way to get by for years on end.  There is a big difference to wanting to limit the amount of help and getting ride of it completely.

    Most conservatives I know are active in programs, wether it be food banks, donating to homeless shelters, etc... They want to help, but they want to help on their terms, not what the government tells them they have to do.

    Community Action is a government agency that deals with food shelter and utility assistance with government programs here.  Just for clarification.



  • owl0210
    by owl0210
    October 11, 2012 at 1:34 PM

    Me too. I used to work for state public defenders now I work for prosecutors. It was too draining when I was with the PD's office.  

    Quoting furbabymum:

     No. I'm not a lawyer at all. Paralegal.

    Quoting owl0210:

    Are you a Federal Public Defender? 

    Quoting furbabymum:

     I think you can be a perfectly competent employee while not necessarily agreeing with things.

    For instance: we just got a federal child sexual assault case. 20 victims starting as young as 3. There is no way in hell I think this guy is awesome. In fact, I rather hope he dies in prison. I'm still going to do my job and I'll do it just as well for him as I do it for all our other clients. I'm looking through discovery and I'm writing down possible defenses for this. I really hope he's killed in prison though.

     

     

     

  • furbabymum
    October 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM

     My lawyer is pretty darn awesome and usually gets to pick his cases. He has never picked a sex assault case before. He couldn't decline this one. One of the federal judges has decided she wants to assign cases herself (Totally new and frightening!). She assigned this one to him. :(

    I've never minded the drug cases, though some things I found in discovery were disturbing. This, this is a whole other piece of pie. I hate it!

    Quoting owl0210:

    Me too. I used to work for state public defenders now I work for prosecutors. It was too draining when I was with the PD's office.  

    Quoting furbabymum:

     No. I'm not a lawyer at all. Paralegal.

    Quoting owl0210:

    Are you a Federal Public Defender? 

    Quoting furbabymum:

     I think you can be a perfectly competent employee while not necessarily agreeing with things.

    For instance: we just got a federal child sexual assault case. 20 victims starting as young as 3. There is no way in hell I think this guy is awesome. In fact, I rather hope he dies in prison. I'm still going to do my job and I'll do it just as well for him as I do it for all our other clients. I'm looking through discovery and I'm writing down possible defenses for this. I really hope he's killed in prison though.

     

     

     

     P.S. Think I've messaged you for advice before on handling him when he was keeping me late constantly. Things are much better now! I can at least be happy that he's as unhappy with this case as I am. He'll still totally rock the defense though. Probably why she's assigning him all the nasty stuff now.

  • owl0210
    by owl0210
    October 11, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    Oh yes I remember you! I'm glad things are going better. I assume your attorney is on the court appointed list right?  We recently prosecuted guy that was charged with possession of child pornography and he only received 5 years of probation.

    Quoting furbabymum:

     My lawyer is pretty darn awesome and usually gets to pick his cases. He has never picked a sex assault case before. He couldn't decline this one. One of the federal judges has decided she wants to assign cases herself (Totally new and frightening!). She assigned this one to him. :(

    I've never minded the drug cases, though some things I found in discovery were disturbing. This, this is a whole other piece of pie. I hate it!

    Quoting owl0210:

    Me too. I used to work for state public defenders now I work for prosecutors. It was too draining when I was with the PD's office.  

    Quoting furbabymum:

     No. I'm not a lawyer at all. Paralegal.

    Quoting owl0210:

    Are you a Federal Public Defender? 

    Quoting furbabymum:

     I think you can be a perfectly competent employee while not necessarily agreeing with things.

    For instance: we just got a federal child sexual assault case. 20 victims starting as young as 3. There is no way in hell I think this guy is awesome. In fact, I rather hope he dies in prison. I'm still going to do my job and I'll do it just as well for him as I do it for all our other clients. I'm looking through discovery and I'm writing down possible defenses for this. I really hope he's killed in prison though.

     

     

     

     P.S. Think I've messaged you for advice before on handling him when he was keeping me late constantly. Things are much better now! I can at least be happy that he's as unhappy with this case as I am. He'll still totally rock the defense though. Probably why she's assigning him all the nasty stuff now.

     

  • survivorinohio
    October 11, 2012 at 2:05 PM


    Quoting katy_kay08:


    Quoting survivorinohio:


    Quoting katy_kay08:

    I guess it depends on what you mean by "community action"  overall I disagree with the statement. If the end goal is to get community involvement in a cause they conservatives have just as much right to work towards that goal as liberals.  

    In our area the Community action agency has a food outreach, a clothing outreach and also takes care of several government programs including utility assistance or HEAP as it is called here.


    And your thinking is that conservatives are against donation programs that target those in need?  I've found that to be the exact opposite and often people confuse not wanting government programs with not wanting any of these programs.  

    I am thinking that some conservatives working at our local Community Action Agency are against the government programs they are in charged of enrolling people in.

  • survivorinohio
    October 11, 2012 at 2:06 PM

    Thats interesting, thank you, I didnt know that.

    Quoting macbudsmom:

    While CACs function through the help of government dollars they are actually private non profit organizations, not government agencies.

    Quoting survivorinohio:


    Quoting Collier3:

    Why is that ppl find it hard to believe that conservatives can be giving. We do not agree with open ended government social programs, but we do not want the complete end to them. hey should provide assistance to an individual during a tough time in their lives to get them back on track. Not to be the only way to get by for years on end.  There is a big difference to wanting to limit the amount of help and getting ride of it completely.

    Most conservatives I know are active in programs, wether it be food banks, donating to homeless shelters, etc... They want to help, but they want to help on their terms, not what the government tells them they have to do.

    Community Action is a government agency that deals with food shelter and utility assistance with government programs here.  Just for clarification.




  • kailu1835
    October 11, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    Can you reword this question?  It sounds like you're saying you shouldn't do community service if you don't agree with social programs.

    If that is the case, then I disagree.  Social services SHOULD be in the hands of the community, not the government.  Everything the government touches is ruined.  Just look at the insurance industry, or public education, etc etc etc. 

  • survivorinohio
    October 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM


    Quoting futureshock:


    Quoting survivorinohio:


    Quoting garnet83:

    I believe this to be accurate. Conservatives, generally, are all of these. However, we don't care for able-bodied people who have made a lifestyle out of government benefits, nor for holding back those who are successful, or creating division among the American people by portraying successful people as villains for having made good decisions and investments. Those who are well off, hopefully, will reach out and help those who genuinely need help getting on their feet or overcoming unfortunate circumstances. However, we do not feel that it is just or Constitutional for the government to mandate that the successful take financial responsibility for others. While I agree with the above quote, I feel that it leaves much unsaid.

    I can respect your viewpoint and the way it is pesented, thank you.

    What do you think her viewpoint is on public assistance?  I am not sure I know exactly what she means here.  It sounds to me like she is against taxes taken out to fund welfare and thinks charity should be voluntary.

    Thats what I read.  I dont agree with her but I appreciate the respectful reply :)

  • survivorinohio
    October 11, 2012 at 2:09 PM


    Quoting kailu1835:

    Can you reword this question?  It sounds like you're saying you shouldn't do community service if you don't agree with social programs.

    If that is the case, then I disagree.  Social services SHOULD be in the hands of the community, not the government.  Everything the government touches is ruined.  Just look at the insurance industry, or public education, etc etc etc. 

    Rewording:

    Poople who are against government mandated programs should not be in charge of enrolling people in said programs.

  • kailu1835
    October 11, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    I don't agree with abortion, but working in the health care, my personal feelings would not stop me from doing my job with compassion.  I know that most people who have an abortion feel that it is their only choice, and it's not easy for them.  So I can have compassion for them even if I think they are making the wrong choice.  I have also helped people sign up for programs I didn't personally feel they needed, but THEY didn't know that about my personal feelings.  A person's personal feelings should not get in the way of the job they are hired to do, or volunteer to do.

    Quoting survivorinohio:


    Quoting katy_kay08:


    Quoting survivorinohio:


    Quoting katy_kay08:

    I guess it depends on what you mean by "community action"  overall I disagree with the statement. If the end goal is to get community involvement in a cause they conservatives have just as much right to work towards that goal as liberals.  

    In our area the Community action agency has a food outreach, a clothing outreach and also takes care of several government programs including utility assistance or HEAP as it is called here.


    And your thinking is that conservatives are against donation programs that target those in need?  I've found that to be the exact opposite and often people confuse not wanting government programs with not wanting any of these programs.  

    I am thinking that some conservatives working at our local Community Action Agency are against the government programs they are in charged of enrolling people in.


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