futureshock
Voting to ban same sex marriage is immoral.
August 9, 2012 at 10:24 PM

What is the definition of morality? 

Voting to ban same sex marriage actively HARMS other people by refusing to allow them to have civil rights.  Banning same sex marriage means homosexual people cannot form families.  That is one of the cruelest things one group of people can do to another group of people, because the family is the foundation of our society. 

People engaged in homosexual relationships are not doing anything immoral because they are not harming anyone.  They are consenting adults.  It is the anti-gay people who are committing immoral acts.

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  • futureshock
    August 9, 2012 at 10:24 PM

    BUMP!

  • futureshock
    August 9, 2012 at 10:25 PM


    Quote:

    KINSHIP The Point of Marriage and Kinship Ties Why Create Kinship Bonds?

    A group of people can sign a contract for the purpose of setting up a new business, but they don’t thereby become kin or family. Two people can sign a contract assigning one the legal authority to make medical decisions for the other, but they don’t thereby become kin or family. Two people can sign a contract to jointly share property, but they don’t thereby become kin or a family. When two people marry, however, they do become kin — they are now related to each other. Furthermore, they also establish kinship ties with one another’s families — and in some cultures, establishing kinship ties between the two families has been regarded as the purpose of marriage, not establishing kinship ties between the two people actually getting married. All of this is makes marriage fairly unique among all other sorts of contracts that can exist in society — only adoption is at all similar. In fact, this is the one characteristic of marriage which seems to be common to all forms of marriage in all cultures and societies through time. The only natural kinship ties are biological, and the only obvious biological kinship which exists is that between a mother and her children. All other kinship ties are established through culture — even fatherhood, which is often as much a matter of social convention as it is assumed biological paternity. Kinship and familial relationships create the smallest social units of any society. The importance of kinship as a means for structuring relationships and behavior is evinced in the way societies have had so many systems (formal and informal) for establishing pseudo-kinship between people who have no biological relationship and for whom there are no means for creating traditional kinship ties. Common examples of this are the informal ways people refer to one another as “uncle” or “son” regardless of actual familial ties, the prevalence of “blood brotherhood” ceremonies in various groups, and ritual kinship bonds created by different social groups. Kinship is an important thread in the social fabric. It isn’t an “institution” like marriage because there are generally no specific legal, religious, or social rules regulating it. Kinship is, instead, an amorphous creation of many other institutions which help people structure their relationships with one another. If you know that someone is your kin, you know that you have different legal, social, and moral obligations to them than you do to total strangers. If you know that two people are kin, you know that they not only have different obligations to each other than they do to you, but also that you have different obligations to them as a group then you would to them as individuals if they weren’t kin. Marriage establishes a relationship which does not and cannot exist for people who are simply living together. However much a cohabiting couple may love each other and however long they may have been together, their relationship is not such that it can be described as “kin” and, as a consequence, they cannot make any legal, social, or moral claims on others to treat them individually and jointly as if they were kin. There are many situations where kinship creates bonds and obligations not otherwise available to people. Commonly cited is the example of a person who has been in a serious accident and who needs someone to make major medical decisions for them — perhaps even the decision to take them off life support. Whom do the doctors wish to speak to? The next of kin. If married, the “next of kin” is always the spouse, and if that person is not available, the doctors move through children, parents, and siblings. 

    to read the rest:

    http://wingnutwatch.typepad.com/wingnutwatch/2010/05/kinship-the-point-of-marriage-and-kinship-ties-why-create-kinship-bonds.html


  • thecoffeefairy
    August 9, 2012 at 10:26 PM
    I agree! History will also agree.
  • ittybit2012
    August 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM

    Logic doesn't work well.  I agree with you.  People in homosexual relationships have no affect on me or mine.  Unfortunately we have douchebags that think it's okay to legislate morality based on their beliefs.  

  • SilverSterling
    August 9, 2012 at 10:28 PM

    Love it and agree

  • futureshock
    August 9, 2012 at 10:29 PM


    Quoting ittybit2012:

    Logic doesn't work well.  I agree with you.  People in homosexual relationships have no affect on me or mine.  Unfortunately we have douchebags that think it's okay to legislate morality based on their beliefs.  

    yup

    What makes it ironic is that in doing so they are committing the immoral act.

  • kaffedrikke
    August 9, 2012 at 10:30 PM
    Also if half of the conservatives were so moralistic why are so many people on their second third fourth marriage. And if they want to argue Levitical law against homosexuality then they need to live by it too. For the ones preaching Biblical marriage fyi Mr Mrs Conservative did you knoe sexual intercourse with a virgin female made her YOUR WIFE!!! Smoke it conservative!!
  • futureshock
    August 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM


    Quoting kaffedrikke:

    Also if half of the conservatives were so moralistic why are so many people on their second third fourth marriage. And if they want to argue Levitical law against homosexuality then they need to live by it too. For the ones preaching Biblical marriage fyi Mr Mrs Conservative did you knoe sexual intercourse with a virgin female made her YOUR WIFE!!! Smoke it conservative!!

    lol

    Smoke it conservative!!

  • lga1965
    by lga1965
    August 9, 2012 at 10:32 PM
    I agree .... it is cruel. And immoral. Good post.

    Quoting futureshock:

    What is the definition of morality? 

    Voting to ban same sex marriage actively HARMS other people by refusing to allow them to have civil rights  Banning same sex marriage means homosexual people cannot form families.  That is one of the cruelest things one group of people can do to another group of people, because the family is the foundation of our society. 

    People engaged in homosexual relationships are not doing anything immoral because they are not harming anyone.  They are consenting adults.  It is the anti-gay people who are committing immoral acts.

  • Rose87
    by Rose87
    August 9, 2012 at 10:33 PM


    Quoting ittybit2012:

    Logic doesn't work well.  I agree with you.  People in homosexual relationships have no affect on me or mine.  Unfortunately we have douchebags that think it's okay to legislate morality based on their beliefs.