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JustMe0326
Worried, scared, upset... :(
November 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM
I got injured in a softball tournament on Aug 11. Went to the chiropractor for 5 weeks, including physical therapy there for 3 of those 5 weeks, but that didn't help at all. Went to my family dr who first put me on anti-inflammatory steroids that didn't help, then sent me for x-rays and an mri. Found out I have a herniated disc in my lower lumbar and degenerative changes in my lower spine. My fam dr is sending me to a back specialist at OIO (orthopedic institute of Ohio) but it took me a month to get in. I go this Tuesday.
In the meantime I went back to a different chiropractor (because the first one I feel he did everything wrong but that's a long story) and I'm still going to her. I had a really bad day today with the pain and she told me if I don't get better soon then I'm going to have "inevitable consequences" in the end, meaning surgery.
Surgery is the LAST thing I want. I'm only 28 years old. Oh, and she also decided to tell me that the surgery for this is $50k. Idk how true that is...its not like she knows what kind of insurance I have...but still. Idk how much longer I can keep going to her. She's $29 a visit and I go 3x a week. That's $350 a month. That's more than I pay for my house :(
Not only that, but ALL of the financial responsibility for my family of 4 is on me right now because df got hurt at work in Sept of 2011 and had to have surgery that went terribly wrong. He's still off work and fighting with workmans comp to get paid so he has ZERO income.
Idk what to do. We're barely scraping by. At least all of his medical bills are covered by workmans comp, but mine aren't. And I have to pay the chiropractor every time I go. She won't bill people. And now Christmas is right around the corner and we have 2 kids.

I'm just beside myself with what to do on this. I feel like I'm going to have to be in this much pain forever because I can't afford to get fixed. What would you do?? :'(

Replies

  • wildlilacs
    November 15, 2012 at 5:42 PM
    Take a deep breath. You have an appointment Tues. You may have better news then. Relax.
  • JustMe0326
    November 15, 2012 at 5:43 PM
    Unfortunately I know all too well about workmans comp. His stuff has been going on for over a year now and he's still not getting paid. And he does have a lawyer. All it is is appeal after appeal after them making him be evaluated by 20 different doctors cause apparently they're not getting the answers they want. All the while its a month in-between him being able to do anything. Like, he'll have a hearing, then his previous employer will appeal it and send him to "this" dr to get another opinion. But that appointment is a month down the road. Then they'll have another hearing another month after that. It's awful. And WC says he's not allowed to earn any money from anywhere until they have a final decision. :(
    Fmla is there for me to use which guarantees my job, but you don't get paid while you're on it. I haven't taken a single day off work because of my injury. I can't afford to.
    And I'm not sure about Fmla for df..but they def already fired him. He doesn't have a job to go back to. I'm pretty sure that's another thing his lawyer is taking care of but there's so much going on with it that I have no clue. It's very confusing.


    Quoting Rhonda142:

    Don't expect Workmans comp to come thru for you anytime soon without a attorney they suck my mother in law fought with them for 10+ years they pretty much starve you out till you give up. And you can do the family medical leave act will work for you and it will make sure they cannot fire you and you can keep your benifits. And I agree with jhslove call hospitals and see who is cheaper for the surgery.  With the medical leave it will give you time to heal before you go back to work not sure of any compensation though. I would save my money with the chiropractor you could put that money back to cover your surgery espeacially if it isn't helping.

  • JustMe0326
    November 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM
    I don't really know how it all works cause if they want me to have surge when I go to OIO, they do it right there in that facility. I don't know if I even have the option to go to a different hospital. Don't you have to go where your dr is??

    Quoting jhslove:

    See if your hospital will let you do a payment plan. Many will; they'd rather get their money a little at a time than not at all. Also, check around with different facilities--many hospitals charge different rates for the same procedure. Check every hospital in the area that takes your insurance; find out how much they'd charge and whether they're willing to let you pay over time.


    Quoting JustMe0326:

    I do, and its decent insurance at that. But they will only cover 80%.
    80% of $50k is still $10k. Idk where in the world I would come up with that.



    Quoting jhslove:


    Do you have health insurance? If so, why can't you have the surgery that would help your back?



  • JustMe0326
    November 15, 2012 at 5:46 PM
    Where are you from??

    Quoting m0m23b0ys458:

    DS goes to OIO for his Kyphosis.We go on the 26th to discuss surgery.I hope things get better for you.
  • JustMe0326
    November 15, 2012 at 5:49 PM
    Oh...hey, you MUST be right by me!

    Lima Memorial scares me though. I REALLY don't like that place. And I know st ritas might be more expensive, but because they're a private hospital instead of state owned, they offer more financial assistance.
    But, I figured if they want me to have the surgery that I wouldn't even go to a hospital. They would do it right there at OIO. Wouldn't they??


    Quoting m0m23b0ys458:

    Just an FYI,Lima Memorial is cheaper than St Rita's.Least that's what my insurance said.
  • lancet98
    November 15, 2012 at 5:51 PM

    Stop going to chiropractors and 'institutes'.   Stay AWAY from those people.

    Go to a regular doctor, and get a referral for a physical therapist.  

    You may need surgery if your spine is actually damaged and unstable, but it is usually a LAST resort, NOT a first resort.

    For most people  even if they have 'degenerative changes', conservative treatment works.  WORKS WELL.  THAT MEANS EXERCISE.   Habit changes, posture changes, stretches and exercise EVERY DAY.  

    Believe it or not, for most people, EVEN IF THEY HAVE 'degnerative changes', the pain they feel is NOT from those changes, but from muscle spasms, weak muscles, poor posture.   The pain can be so bad and so severe that most people cannot BELIEVE they don't have something horrible that needs surgery.

    You may need a recovery period - muscle relaxants, ice, stretches, but for most people, the very best thing they can do is fairly soon, start exercising and STRETCHING.   Don't make the mistake most people make - lying on a heating pad for hours and hours - that very often causes far more swelling in the tissues and MUCH more pain.

    You get your back, stomach and leg muscles in good shape, you take off extra pounds that just add to the strain on your back, and you can be doing INCREDIBLE - just like most people.

    The doctor says my back xray looks like it's of a 93 year old with terminal bone cancer  - and as soon as I get done typing I'm going out for a hike with my dog straining at the leash like a freight train, LOL.    I was up on a ladder today fixing a door and doing dozens of other things all day, but doing those exercises has to be something you do FAITHFULLY if you want to get there.

    Don't be talked into unnecessary surgery - there is far, far too much back surgery done by those 'institutes'.   Get to a normal doctor, get into physical therapy and work HARD at it, do your exercises daily.

  • JustMe0326
    November 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM
    It's more the herniated disc that I'm worried about over the degenerative changes.
    It's my normal family doctor that said he can't do anything else for me and sent me to the institute. And so far my doctor and my chiropractor are saying just to rest because of the disc. Chiropractor said I'm not allowed to do anything that irritates it. I have bending and lifting restrictions...I do do stretches that she gave me with my legs but they don't seem to help much. And she said if those stretches irritate it then to not do them.
    I know, I def don't do heat. They all told me that. I do ice and it does give me some relief after a long day.


    Quoting lancet98:

    Stop going to chiropractors and 'institutes'.   Stay AWAY from those people.


    Go to a regular doctor, and get a referral for a physical therapist.  


    You may need surgery if your spine is actually damaged and unstable, but it is usually a LAST resort, NOT a first resort.


    For most people  even if they have 'degenerative changes', conservative treatment works.  WORKS WELL.  THAT MEANS EXERCISE.   Habit changes, posture changes, stretches and exercise EVERY DAY.  


    Believe it or not, for most people, EVEN IF THEY HAVE 'degnerative changes', the pain they feel is NOT from those changes, but from muscle spasms, weak muscles, poor posture.   The pain can be so bad and so severe that most people cannot BELIEVE they don't have something horrible that needs surgery.


    You may need a recovery period - muscle relaxants, ice, stretches, but for most people, the very best thing they can do is fairly soon, start exercising and STRETCHING.   Don't make the mistake most people make - lying on a heating pad for hours and hours - that very often causes far more swelling in the tissues and MUCH more pain.


    You get your back, stomach and leg muscles in good shape, you take off extra pounds that just add to the strain on your back, and you can be doing INCREDIBLE - just like most people.


    The doctor says my back xray looks like it's of a 93 year old with terminal bone cancer  - and as soon as I get done typing I'm going out for a hike with my dog straining at the leash like a freight train, LOL.    I was up on a ladder today fixing a door and doing dozens of other things all day, but doing those exercises has to be something you do FAITHFULLY if you want to get there.


    Don't be talked into unnecessary surgery - there is far, far too much back surgery done by those 'institutes'.   Get to a normal doctor, get into physical therapy and work HARD at it, do your exercises daily.

  • XJetX
    by XJetX
    November 15, 2012 at 6:04 PM
    I have been dealing with a ruptured disc, 2 herniated, twisted coccyx, and arthritis for 12 years and only now are they talking about surgery. You were injured a few months ago and you are young (I'm only a year older) they don't even want to do the surgery on me because of my age! But I've been dealing with it for 12 years. There are many therapies aside from chiropractors that will help. Physical therapy, steroid epidurals, acupuncture, other homeopathic methods, but surgery is a last resort after 12 years. I doubt they will do it a few months after the injury without seeing how it will progress
  • lancet98
    November 15, 2012 at 6:07 PM


    Quoting JustMe0326:

    It's more the herniated disc that I'm worried about over the degenerative changes.
    It's my normal family doctor that said he can't do anything else for me and sent me to the institute. And so far my doctor and my chiropractor are saying just to rest because of the disc. Chiropractor said I'm not allowed to do anything that irritates it. I have bending and lifting restrictions...I do do stretches that she gave me with my legs but they don't seem to help much. And she said if those stretches irritate it then to not do them.
    I know, I def don't do heat. They all told me that. I do ice and it does give me some relief after a long day.


    Quoting lancet98:

    Stop going to chiropractors and 'institutes'.   Stay AWAY from those people.


    Go to a regular doctor, and get a referral for a physical therapist.  


    You may need surgery if your spine is actually damaged and unstable, but it is usually a LAST resort, NOT a first resort.


    For most people  even if they have 'degenerative changes', conservative treatment works.  WORKS WELL.  THAT MEANS EXERCISE.   Habit changes, posture changes, stretches and exercise EVERY DAY.  


    Believe it or not, for most people, EVEN IF THEY HAVE 'degnerative changes', the pain they feel is NOT from those changes, but from muscle spasms, weak muscles, poor posture.   The pain can be so bad and so severe that most people cannot BELIEVE they don't have something horrible that needs surgery.


    You may need a recovery period - muscle relaxants, ice, stretches, but for most people, the very best thing they can do is fairly soon, start exercising and STRETCHING.   Don't make the mistake most people make - lying on a heating pad for hours and hours - that very often causes far more swelling in the tissues and MUCH more pain.


    You get your back, stomach and leg muscles in good shape, you take off extra pounds that just add to the strain on your back, and you can be doing INCREDIBLE - just like most people.


    The doctor says my back xray looks like it's of a 93 year old with terminal bone cancer  - and as soon as I get done typing I'm going out for a hike with my dog straining at the leash like a freight train, LOL.    I was up on a ladder today fixing a door and doing dozens of other things all day, but doing those exercises has to be something you do FAITHFULLY if you want to get there.


    Don't be talked into unnecessary surgery - there is far, far too much back surgery done by those 'institutes'.   Get to a normal doctor, get into physical therapy and work HARD at it, do your exercises daily.

    herniated discs can heal.   With the pressure off, they often go back down to normal.   The key is the stretches and rest - did the doc give you any medications?   How OFTEN do you do your stretches?   All of them daily?   Twice a day?   Anyone discussed traction with you?   It can do amazing things for discs.   Usually you have to try traction and (more PT than what you are doing) before any insurance co will approve any surgery.

  • JustMe0326
    November 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM
    My fam dr gave me anti inflammatory steroids, they helped the first few days and then stopped working. I do the stretches 2x a day, morning and night. And I did do full physical therapy for 3 weeks...it didn't help at all.
    When you say traction...is that the same as spinal decompression?? My chiropractor has a spinal decompression table that we've talked about but its broke she said. They're supposed to be getting the piece to fix it "soon" but who knows. She said though that even when its fixed, its $50 a treatment and insurance won't cover it.
    I'm not trying to argue with you, so I hope it doesn't sound that way. I'm just telling you what I've already been through and what I've been told. I HOPE insurance denies surgery and makes them do something else. I'm completely willing to do whatever! I just don't want surgery!!


    Quoting lancet98:



    Quoting JustMe0326:

    It's more the herniated disc that I'm worried about over the degenerative changes.
    It's my normal family doctor that said he can't do anything else for me and sent me to the institute. And so far my doctor and my chiropractor are saying just to rest because of the disc. Chiropractor said I'm not allowed to do anything that irritates it. I have bending and lifting restrictions...I do do stretches that she gave me with my legs but they don't seem to help much. And she said if those stretches irritate it then to not do them.
    I know, I def don't do heat. They all told me that. I do ice and it does give me some relief after a long day.



    Quoting lancet98:


    Stop going to chiropractors and 'institutes'.   Stay AWAY from those people.



    Go to a regular doctor, and get a referral for a physical therapist.  



    You may need surgery if your spine is actually damaged and unstable, but it is usually a LAST resort, NOT a first resort.



    For most people  even if they have 'degenerative changes', conservative treatment works.  WORKS WELL.  THAT MEANS EXERCISE.   Habit changes, posture changes, stretches and exercise EVERY DAY.  



    Believe it or not, for most people, EVEN IF THEY HAVE 'degnerative changes', the pain they feel is NOT from those changes, but from muscle spasms, weak muscles, poor posture.   The pain can be so bad and so severe that most people cannot BELIEVE they don't have something horrible that needs surgery.



    You may need a recovery period - muscle relaxants, ice, stretches, but for most people, the very best thing they can do is fairly soon, start exercising and STRETCHING.   Don't make the mistake most people make - lying on a heating pad for hours and hours - that very often causes far more swelling in the tissues and MUCH more pain.



    You get your back, stomach and leg muscles in good shape, you take off extra pounds that just add to the strain on your back, and you can be doing INCREDIBLE - just like most people.



    The doctor says my back xray looks like it's of a 93 year old with terminal bone cancer  - and as soon as I get done typing I'm going out for a hike with my dog straining at the leash like a freight train, LOL.    I was up on a ladder today fixing a door and doing dozens of other things all day, but doing those exercises has to be something you do FAITHFULLY if you want to get there.



    Don't be talked into unnecessary surgery - there is far, far too much back surgery done by those 'institutes'.   Get to a normal doctor, get into physical therapy and work HARD at it, do your exercises daily.


    herniated discs can heal.   With the pressure off, they often go back down to normal.   The key is the stretches and rest - did the doc give you any medications?   How OFTEN do you do your stretches?   All of them daily?   Twice a day?   Anyone discussed traction with you?   It can do amazing things for discs.   Usually you have to try traction and (more PT than what you are doing) before any insurance co will approve any surgery.

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