Lillymygirl
THIS is NOT an answer for abortion.
March 5, 2012 at 1:43 PM

What a mess. This is scary . I HATE abortion But I LOVE women and they should all have ACCESS to birth control. How did things go so wrong?

The article is extremely long so I am including the link and some pieces of the article. i just think that being pro-life shouldn't mean people cut all funding and availability of BIRT CONTROL , it's wrong and could cause more expensive problems later. Yes I want women to not abort their children but isn't it best, all the way around, if they can get birth control and not get pregnant when they aren't willing to or able to support children? 



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/05/us-states-slash-birth-control-idUSTRE8240ZM20120305

Mon Mar 5, 2012 10:41am EST

(Reuters) - Even as a national debate rages over contraception insurance, tens of thousands of low-income women and teenagers across the United States have lost access to subsidized birth control as states slash and restructure family planning funds.


the Texas funding cut prompted Planned Parenthood to shut down 11 clinics. It also has jeopardized a $40 million family-planning program run as a Medicaid extension.

The program provides free birth control and annual exams to 130,000 low-income women of reproductive age who don't qualify for regular Medicaid. The federal government pays 90 percent of the cost; Texas puts up just $4 million a year.

About 40 percent of women in the Texas program get subsidized care from Planned Parenthood clinics, but a new state law blocks those clinics from participating. The Obama administration has said that violates federal Medicaid rules. If neither side compromises, the program will likely close by the end of March.

That infuriates Jonee Longoria, a single mother in Houston who relied on the program for free services for several years as she put herself through college. "I had one child living in poverty and I didn't want another," Longoria said.

She now works for a social service agency and refers many clients to the program for contraception. Without it, she said, "where would they go?"

Advocates of defunding Planned Parenthood say they regret any service disruptions for poor women. But they call it a necessary price to pay to take a moral stance on abortion.

"We're just doing what we think is best," said Joe Pojman, executive director of Texas Alliance for Life, 

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  • claudiabe
    March 6, 2012 at 4:05 PM

    Women can prevent pregnancy, but to end a pregnancy is a murder. I am pro-life and only got pregnant for the first time at the age of 35, why? because I used nuvaring (birthcontrol), plus never had sex with any boyfriend without a condon. I got pregnant when I chose to get pregnant. Now, getting pregnant without planing is just naive oe dumb. Prevention is the key. Not killing. Hittler believed in killing as a way to keep the "humanity" pure... As he believed..... Killing, is killing, there is no justification to it. I should  have the right to decide what to do with my body, but the baby is another body, and his litle body is not mine. Plus in reality we do not even have the right to decide when to die. If you try to kill yourself but survive, you are sent to a psciatric clinic.... Of course in every cause there are extremists, and with pro-life people there are those that are also against birth control. I believe that these people are wrong. I should have birth control, but I AM THE ONE WHO SHOULD PAY FOR IT, not the taxpayers. THe same way that I do not want my taxes that I pay to be used to kill babies, I do not want to pay for someone else to have sex. If you want to have sex, you should pay yourself for your pills, or condons, NOT THE TAXPAYERS. 

  • notjstanothrmom
    March 6, 2012 at 4:12 PM

    No, my stance on the issue is that it'd be stupid for the government not to cover birth control but if they did that it's a very inexpensive thing to cover yourself. If you're super poor then you get tons of assistance including cash assistance. If you get cash assistance then you can take $30 a month on the high end to pay for protection. There are also free condoms available or those can be purchased inexpensively. Sex is not something that everyone NEEDS and if you can't afford to protect yourself then there are things like NFP that do work for most people who do have regular cycles.

    I know what it's like to be scraping by each month and sometimes there have been times in the past that our income wasn't enough to cover our bills, but ultimately I'd rather more low income families have free health care for serious medical issues then have birth control covered when it's already so inexpensive.

    Quoting TXMompreneur:

    Just so I'm clear on your stance on this, "notjstanothrmom"--

    You are AGAINST birth control pills, which prevent an egg from being released and/or fertilized so that no pregnancy takes place, but you are FOR women getting an IUD, which scrapes a fertilized and implanted egg off the lining of a woman's uterus?  Seriously?!?

    I also see you're a big advocate of NFP.  That's great for people who have regular periods (I NEVER did until I went on BC), but it does NOTHING for women who have polycystic ovarian syndrome or a myriad of OTHER medical/health related issues that artificial hormones can help.  How are condoms or NFP going to help THOSE women?  They're NOT.  And last time I checked, there wasn't a doctor around who would insert an IUD without payment in full AHEAD of time. 

    Women who chose to go on BC pills to prevent pregnancey ARE taking responsibility for their own reproductive lives!  I was on BC when I was married to my first husband--which I got at Planned Parenthood (even with TWO incomes, I couldn't afford a private doctor)--because I REFUSED to have children until he proved to me he could keep a job for at least a year.  (Which, BTW, he never did.)  And before you make some "brilliant" comment on my "poor choice" for a husband, you should know that he raped me--but in accordance with the "good Christian upbringing" I had--and to keep the religious-right freaks from calling ME a "slut", "whore" or "prostitute"--I married him.  You really can learn to love anyone, unless they're trying to beat you to death.  I divorced him, even though my very religious father pointed out that "God disapproves of divorce."  I'll bet he "disapproves" of suicide, too--and that's what staying married to that man would have been.

    It is ALSO thanks to PP that I didn't die of cervical cancer.  That was diagnosed while I was putting myself through college and STILL couldn't afford a private doctor.

    This is just another move by the male dominated religious right-wing to subjugate women.  Viagra was covered by insurance LONG before any form of birth control was.  What that should tell every woman is that, to the men who are running this show, it's much more important for them to get an erection so they can impregnate a woman (which keeps her dependent and "submissive") than it is for a woman to have a say in her own body, health and reproductive rights.

    One more thing--before anyone starts screaming that I'm some sort of a "left-wing liberal", you should know that I'm a life-long Republican (albeit a moderate one) who is 51 years old, waited until my mid 30's to have children, and I've voted in every election since 1978--federal, state and local.

    I'm with all the posters here who believe it is better--and FAR cheaper for the taxpayers--to prevent an unwanted pregnancy than to have to take care of unplanned (and, probably unwanted) children after they're born.  I'd also like to point out that while someone cited that "unplanned pregnancies have gone down in recent years", you really need to factor in the faction of society that actually DOES plan pregnancies so they can get on welfare.  And YES!!  I've met quite a few!

    Something to consider that my mother and grandmother use to say:

    "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

    That goes for our tax dollars as well.


    Quoting notjstanothrmom:

    I didn't read the article. It's not clicky.

    But things close all the time. People need to be able to think ahead. Go to the doctors and get an IUD and then don't pay the bill in full and make payments or something. I honestly see what you're saying, I don't think funding should be cut, but I also think that people need to be able to take responsibility of their own reproductive life.

    Quoting Lillymygirl:

    You seem to be missing a lot of information that could be found in the article. For example 11 clinics have closed and the nearest one now has a waiting list and closest appointment is August. Also as wonderful as NFP is , it's not for everyone. who offers free condoms? Not the CLOSED clinics .

    Quoting notjstanothrmom:

    Then they should go to the library and learn about NFP or refrain until they can afford it. I know what it's like to have no money but if you can get yourself to Planned Parenthood, then you can scrape up $10 and pay for a pack of pills that could prevent you from getting pregnant. If not, they offer free condoms which will also protect you from STD's.

    Quoting Lillymygirl:


    Quoting notjstanothrmom:

    I am pro-life and will not use birth control for contraceptive because personally it is basically like an abortion *to me* if my baby cannot implant. I do believe everyone should have access to birth control and everyone will, but I don't feel it's the governments place to provide these services because birth control is very affordable anyways.

    Quoting randi1978:

    How are they "doing what's right" by making it harder for women to access contraceptives?

    Oh, wait.....even birth control is abortion to some of them backwoods yahoo's.....Single women are supposed to be nuns until Prince fucking Charming comes along with a marriage proposal.


    If people can not afford it then they can not afford it.


    The state network, which once provided 220,000 women a year free and low-cost birth control, cervical cancer tests and diabetes screenings, will now serve just 40,000 to 60,000, officials said.








  • Tatum2U
    by Tatum2U
    March 6, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    More info ; (It is SO Not just about Birth Control !!!)


    More than one-quarter of Texas women are uninsured, and women in Texas have the third-highest rate of cervical cancer in the U.S., yet Texas Governor Rick Perry is effectively sabotaging the entire Medicaid Women's Health Program, risking the health and lives of more than 130,000 women who rely on the program for lifesaving screenings for breast and cervical cancer, birth control, screenings for diabetes and hypertension, well-woman exams and more.

    Perhaps even more shocking, this is just the latest move Texas officials have made to deny health care to women.  In the last few months, budget cuts passed by the state legislature and signed by Governor Perry cut the state's family planning program by more than two-thirds - which will take health care from 160,000 women per year.  These cuts also affect services including Pap tests, clinical breast exams, and birth control.

  • mothertrucker30
    March 6, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    I may be backwoods, but I'm not going around spreading lies like the liberal left.  No conservative or catholic is saying anything about keeping birth control out of the hands of sluts (as one of  you referred to yourself as.  I prefer to just use the word women.)  We simply don't want to pay for something that is against our religion.  What you do with yourself and your children is up to you, just keep your blood off of my hands.  Things like this never stop here... soon we will all be forced to pay for sex changes and liposuction.  Where do we draw the line?  You want it, you pay for it... why is that so hard?

  • Tatum2U
    by Tatum2U
    March 6, 2012 at 4:56 PM


    Quoting mothertrucker30:

    I may be backwoods, but I'm not going around spreading lies like the liberal left.  No conservative or catholic is saying anything about keeping birth control out of the hands of sluts (as one of  you referred to yourself as.  I prefer to just use the word women.)  We simply don't want to pay for something that is against our religion.  What you do with yourself and your children is up to you, just keep your blood off of my hands.  Things like this never stop here... soon we will all be forced to pay for sex changes and liposuction.  Where do we draw the line?  You want it, you pay for it... why is that so hard?

    As long as religious people own big business and are employing people from all belief systems , and making money off of people from all belief systems , they should be required to provide insurance to all people. What places their beliefs above another persons?

    And the slut comment - Comments like that, say much more about the person who makes the statement.

  • L1558
    by L1558
    March 6, 2012 at 5:02 PM

    Wow. They don't want to keep abortion legal and safe, they don't want to spend funding on women's health and family-planning or birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies, they don't want abortion to be affordable or quick, they don't want to provide free healthcare or safe, affordable childcare to women who need it; they don't want to pay for women who WANT their babies to have ultrasounds, but they WANT to provide forced ultrasounds to women who DON'T want to carry a pregnancy.

    What else do you expect from people who want you to keep your legs closed but service your man so he won't cheat (because if he leaves you, it's probably your fault, too!)?

    Ugh!

  • Sexymom22
    March 6, 2012 at 5:18 PM

    Because most of the ones who are pro-life believe that even BC is a form of abortion. In their mind if you are doing anything to prevent pregnancy it is like abortion, they most likely believe that you should only use the rhythm method if you are married, or just leave it up to God. Or if you're not married they believe you shouldn't be having sex anyway. There is no logic in it, it's just how they think.

    Quoting Traci_Momof2:

    It's messed up.  They want to end abortion but don't want to provide what most effectively prevents unwanted pregnancy?  Where is the logic?


  • Mackenzie40
    March 6, 2012 at 5:20 PM

    idk about all that . Many , many pro life women have responded here and said they don't support this. Seems to me this is being pushed by the male leaders of extreme pro-life organizations and it's politics more than anything else.jimo

    Quoting Sexymom22:

    Because most of the ones who are pro-life believe that even BC is a form of abortion. In their mind if you are doing anything to prevent pregnancy it is like abortion, they most likely believe that you should only use the rhythm method if you are married, or just leave it up to God. Or if you're not married they believe you shouldn't be having sex anyway. There is no logic in it, it's just how they think.

    Quoting Traci_Momof2:

    It's messed up.  They want to end abortion but don't want to provide what most effectively prevents unwanted pregnancy?  Where is the logic?



  • Sexymom22
    March 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM

    I'm sure it's more religious pro-lifers then anything, because some religions have these beliefs. I know not everyone may have the exact beliefs, but I do think it is a general relgious belief. But it is coming from the extreme side of it, as you said.

    Quoting Mackenzie40:

    idk about all that . Many , many pro life women have responded here and said they don't support this. Seems to me this is being pushed by the male leaders of extreme pro-life organizations and it's politics more than anything else.jimo

    Quoting Sexymom22:

    Because most of the ones who are pro-life believe that even BC is a form of abortion. In their mind if you are doing anything to prevent pregnancy it is like abortion, they most likely believe that you should only use the rhythm method if you are married, or just leave it up to God. Or if you're not married they believe you shouldn't be having sex anyway. There is no logic in it, it's just how they think.

    Quoting Traci_Momof2:

    It's messed up.  They want to end abortion but don't want to provide what most effectively prevents unwanted pregnancy?  Where is the logic?

     



  • PaganMom2285
    March 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM

    Well congrats Texas. You just Upped the Abortion rate for another state where its legal to get abortions because now Texas women of low income both married and unmarried can't get birth control to prevent pregnancies they can't afford. Good job shooting yourself in the face you dumb polireligatic sons of bitches you are all but guaranteeing that women who feel like they have no other choice are going to go to another state and have an abortion. Or they're going to put themselves in harms way and have a back alley abortion because you stupid schumcks decided to remove the only way they could getaffordable birth control. So congratualtions. I hope your "Moral Stance" is fucking worth it.

    You know I'm I'm effing Pro life but this...this makes me sick. That ProLife advocates are using this 'Moral Stance' to put women in danger like this. That they are deliberatly putting womens health in jeopardy because they can't think of any other way to prevent abortions. I'm furious. This is infuriating. ProLife or ProChoice All of you should be infuriated that a bunch of dumb yahoos (Probably fucking men) have decided to put womens lives in jeopardy to satisfy their moral stance. This could be your life. Your sisters life. Your DAUGHTERS life and they're going to just say 'Oh well, just keep your legs closed even if you're married.' That should make you angry no matter which side of the fence you're on.
    And ladies set aside the bickering for five seconds will ya and realize that this isn't about who is right and who is wrong. This is about someone else taking away our RIGHT to choose. Not to choose abortion or a baby. No. Its gone beyond that. They are taking away our right to chose to make love to our spouse/ SO. They are taking away our right to Choose to have a Period that isn't hell on earth for a week. They are taking away our right to choose how many kids we have in an economy where we might not be able to adequatly care for another child. They are taking our right to CHOOSE how to take care of OUR bodies. How to Be Healthy. And that is a violation of our rights as women, as human beings. It is akin to rape and believe me. I would know. I've been raped ladies.

    So just set aside the grudge match for a few minutes and call up your representative and tell them to cut the crap. Tell them to quit screwing around with our birth control and start fixing whats really broken.