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sammyjo_ras
Help! Exclusively pumping, tried to breastfeed... and.. what happened?
October 13, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Hi,
stressed out here. So my daughter was born 5 weeks ago and we had problems latching, and I ended up exclusively pumping and bottle feeding after 8 days because she just wasnt eating enough when she finally would latch on, often improperly.

Anyways. Pumping has been going okay. After a couple weeks, I went from pumping every two hours to 3... and than sometimes 4 or 5 hours... and my supply went from getting 2 1/2 to 3 from each breast, for 1 1/2 each breast. (and I dont pump at night... which I need to do) So I've been trying to get my supply back up by pumping every two hours and once or twice a night.
(by the way, my daughter takes about 2 1/2 to 3 oz per feeding)

THE PROBLEM. Tonight, I tried to breastfeed her, and she fed off one boob for a decent amount of time. And woudlnt take the other breast. So then I go to pump afterward and got practically NOTHING. I thought okay, I can see she may have emptied one breast, but didnt touch the other breast, yet I got almost NOTHING from either. ... than two hours later, I try to breastfeed her again, she eats off one boob okay on and off for ten minutes, wouldnt touch the other, I go to pump and NOTHING comes out either breas?! Just a few little sprays! I'm scared cause I'm on my last bottle that I had in the fridge for her. I have used all my freezer and fridge supply over the last two weeks....

I did NOT think that trying to breastfeed her would SOMEHOW? do this to my supply when I try to pump. She didn't even empty the one breast either times. I thought if anything breastfeeding her would help because it would release oxytocin. I even tried to hand express which didnt go well. What is going on? How is this possible?

I'm not going to try to breastfeed her next time and just pump. She has never been able to get full off just bf'ing and I've had to give her a bottle afterward each time tonight.

Help... I don't want to have to go get formula for the night. I want my milk back! I just want to give her my milk.... I thought WOW she's not doing too bad latching and it should help my supply and it seemed to have done the opposite?

Replies

  • anime.princess
    October 15, 2012 at 12:24 AM


    Quoting Kristin0728:



    Also, if youre having trouble producing milk... This can be controversial, but its an old irish trick. Ive done it, know several others who have done it. Drink a very dark beer. I think Guinness works best. Youre breasts will be full in the morning.


    This is not controversial.  One beer (12oz) is ok while nursing.  However, b4 nursing or pumping, at least one hour must be waited in between.

  • TrentsMom84
    October 15, 2012 at 1:04 AM

    If she's latched on the whole time that's a normal pattern.  Baby keeps doing those little suckles until they stimulate a letdown and then you'll see them swallow (their ears will move slightly) and sometimes you can hear it.  Because they have to work harder for the milk you'll see them go back and forth throughout the session.

    Quoting sammyjo_ras:

    I think why we have and still do have problems nursing and latching is because she doesn't seem especially interested in it for some reason. If that makes any sense? We'll try so hard to get her latched on and when we finally do, she just takes a few suckles and than stops for like ten seconds, and it takes quite a while of me stimulating her to try and keep at it, than takes like 3-7 sucks and another longgg pause. Its me constantly trying to stimulate her.


  • TrentsMom84
    October 15, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    Do you have a source for your very specific instructions?  I ask because it's the yeast in beer that is a galactogogue and it can be found in many other foods, alcohol can inhibit milk production and the only guideline I've ever heard with alcohol is "safe to drive, safe to nurse" and most women would be fine after a 12 oz beer.  Drinking beer may increase production but is generally not most effective and certainly not most LCs first recommendation.

    Quoting anime.princess:


    Quoting Kristin0728:



    Also, if youre having trouble producing milk... This can be controversial, but its an old irish trick. Ive done it, know several others who have done it. Drink a very dark beer. I think Guinness works best. Youre breasts will be full in the morning.


    This is not controversial.  One beer (12oz) is ok while nursing.  However, b4 nursing or pumping, at least one hour must be waited in between.


  • anime.princess
    October 15, 2012 at 1:25 AM

    It's mostly an old wives tale, but it had worked with all my friends and relatives who had nursed for over a year.

    Quoting TrentsMom84:

    Do you have a source for your very specific instructions?  I ask because it's the yeast in beer that is a galactogogue and it can be found in many other foods, alcohol can inhibit milk production and the only guideline I've ever heard with alcohol is "safe to drive, safe to nurse" and most women would be fine after a 12 oz beer.  Drinking beer may increase production but is generally not most effective and certainly not most LCs first recommendation.

    Quoting anime.princess:


    Quoting Kristin0728:



    Also, if youre having trouble producing milk... This can be controversial, but its an old irish trick. Ive done it, know several others who have done it. Drink a very dark beer. I think Guinness works best. Youre breasts will be full in the morning.


    This is not controversial.  One beer (12oz) is ok while nursing.  However, b4 nursing or pumping, at least one hour must be waited in between.



  • Nicolle_09
    October 15, 2012 at 1:39 AM

    actually with drinking the rule is sober to drive sober to nurse. you dont have to wait to nurse or pump unless you feel a buzz. 

    Quoting anime.princess:


    Quoting Kristin0728:



    Also, if youre having trouble producing milk... This can be controversial, but its an old irish trick. Ive done it, know several others who have done it. Drink a very dark beer. I think Guinness works best. Youre breasts will be full in the morning.


    This is not controversial.  One beer (12oz) is ok while nursing.  However, b4 nursing or pumping, at least one hour must be waited in between.


  • anime.princess
    October 15, 2012 at 3:48 AM

    I get buzzed. 

    Quoting Nicolle_09:

    actually with drinking the rule is sober to drive sober to nurse. you dont have to wait to nurse or pump unless you feel a buzz. 

    Quoting anime.princess:


    Quoting Kristin0728:



    Also, if youre having trouble producing milk... This can be controversial, but its an old irish trick. Ive done it, know several others who have done it. Drink a very dark beer. I think Guinness works best. Youre breasts will be full in the morning.


    This is not controversial.  One beer (12oz) is ok while nursing.  However, b4 nursing or pumping, at least one hour must be waited in between.



  • Kristin0728
    October 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM
    This. Its an old wives tale. It does work though. If you have two beers it has the opposite effect. (at least for me it does)


    Quoting anime.princess:

    It's mostly an old wives tale, but it had worked with all my friends and relatives who had nursed for over a year.


    Quoting TrentsMom84:

    Do you have a source for your very specific instructions?  I ask because it's the yeast in beer that is a galactogogue and it can be found in many other foods, alcohol can inhibit milk production and the only guideline I've ever heard with alcohol is "safe to drive, safe to nurse" and most women would be fine after a 12 oz beer.  Drinking beer may increase production but is generally not most effective and certainly not most LCs first recommendation.

    Quoting anime.princess:



    Quoting Kristin0728:





    Also, if youre having trouble producing milk... This can be controversial, but its an old irish trick. Ive done it, know several others who have done it. Drink a very dark beer. I think Guinness works best. Youre breasts will be full in the morning.



    This is not controversial.  One beer (12oz) is ok while nursing.  However, b4 nursing or pumping, at least one hour must be waited in between.




  • Khelmoria
    October 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

    Pump while you nurse. 

  • sammyjo_ras
    October 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM

    I've only got back into nursing the last 3 or 4 days. I meant, in the begining when I never gave her a bottle for almost 2 weeks, she didnt seem very interested once she got on. She would let go and not try very hard to get back on, and just give up. She would just stop trying. It would take us sometimes 15 minutes just to get a latch that she could hold onto.

    The problem was, and still is is that we can't get a proper latch. 1 out of every maybe 20 times do we manage to get latched on properly, and if she lets go, we cant get back on tht good. I know its inproper because she's just trying to get the nipple in her mouth-- she does this even with bottles and I have to put it in and out of her mouth till she opens wide enough to get the base in her mouth. Otherwise milk just poures out the side of her mouth.

    Why I think she wasn't getting full, is that I learned if a baby has an improper latch, they can suckle for hours and still not be full. And I know what it feels to have a proper latch, and know how she acts when she's all full and milk drunk. (:

    But my milk supply has been back up since nursing and pumping for longer periods of time. (trying to nurse!)

    Quoting jconney80:

    She's not interested in nursing because she's getting bottles. Bottles deliver the milk right away. Who wouldn't like that better? Lol

    Go on Youtube and look up Jconney or Jconney80. I forget which it is. I have a video with the latch I was taught when I was having trouble with latch problems. I also have huge nipples/ areolas and this helped. I would still get checked for lip and tongue tie. That could be part of your latch problems


    Quoting sammyjo_ras:

    Thank you guys for the advise. I have also talked to a lactation consultant. She told me I should def not be just pumping till I don't see any milk coming out, but to pump for 20 min to encourage more milk production.


    My daughter had and is still having latching problems. She has a small mouth, and doesn't like to open it wide enough. Sometimes I can get her to open wider by pulling her chin down a little bit.


    The lactation consultant advised I nurse her-- which I do every 2-3 hours, and after we nurse, I pump for twenty min. I'd rather have more milk than not enough.


    I originally wanted her to be breastfed and bottle fed bm. At least I have decided to try to get back to nursing her, now that she's a little bigger. And she is taking to it better than I would have expected after 3 1/2 weeks with bottles. I tried here and there to offer her the breast, with a nipple shield and without one. But now she seems to be more interested.


    I think why we have and still do have problems nursing and latching is because she doesn't seem especially interested in it for some reason. If that makes any sense? We'll try so hard to get her latched on and when we finally do, she just takes a few suckles and than stops for like ten seconds, and it takes quite a while of me stimulating her to try and keep at it, than takes like 3-7 sucks and another longgg pause. Its me constantly trying to stimulate her.


     


    I have large breasts and she has a little mouth. Its hard for her to get a decent amount of my areola in her mouth. But we're trying. And I don't mind giving her bottles. She seems to be taking to both fine. We're just still working on latching.


  • sammyjo_ras
    October 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    *** I meant she only end up opening her mouth wide enough to ONLY get the nipple in, and its hard to get her to open wide enough. (she does with bottles too.)

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