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I laughed but in it's own way it is true.
December 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM

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  • Erinelizz
    December 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM
    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.
  • blues_pagan
    December 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

    You know I was thinking the same thing at first.  And then I realized that the moral thing is to help people who are smaller and less priveledged than you.  

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.


  • romalove
    December 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM


    Quoting blues_pagan:

    You know I was thinking the same thing at first.  And then I realized that the moral thing is to help people who are smaller and less priveledged than you.  

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.


    My comment on this comment is, while I personally think that is the kind and moral thing to do, it's one thing to hope people will be kind and moral and another thing to legislate it.  I think when you legislate it, it doesn't allow people the chance to actually help one another, but instead to resent one another.

  • blues_pagan
    December 28, 2012 at 4:41 PM

    I am not asking to have it legislated though I think that having government help because they are in a position to do so is a good thing.

    Granted living off of the government is a completely different thing.  They should be there for people who need actual help, not a handout all of the time.

    Quoting romalove:


    Quoting blues_pagan:

    You know I was thinking the same thing at first.  And then I realized that the moral thing is to help people who are smaller and less priveledged than you.  

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.


    My comment on this comment is, while I personally think that is the kind and moral thing to do, it's one thing to hope people will be kind and moral and another thing to legislate it.  I think when you legislate it, it doesn't allow people the chance to actually help one another, but instead to resent one another.


  • cbk_mom3
    December 28, 2012 at 5:04 PM

  • romalove
    December 28, 2012 at 5:05 PM


    Quoting blues_pagan:

    I am not asking to have it legislated though I think that having government help because they are in a position to do so is a good thing.

    Granted living off of the government is a completely different thing.  They should be there for people who need actual help, not a handout all of the time.

    Quoting romalove:


    Quoting blues_pagan:

    You know I was thinking the same thing at first.  And then I realized that the moral thing is to help people who are smaller and less priveledged than you.  

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.


    My comment on this comment is, while I personally think that is the kind and moral thing to do, it's one thing to hope people will be kind and moral and another thing to legislate it.  I think when you legislate it, it doesn't allow people the chance to actually help one another, but instead to resent one another.


    Not "you" asking, but in general we are legislated to help our fellow man.  I know that some of it is necessary, but I still think it robs people of the feeling of helping naturally, and it makes the helping we are forced to do not feel willing, even if we'd be willing otherwise.

    I personally do a lot of charity giving, because I like the feeling of helping, and I am lucky enough to be in position to do so.  I know of others, though, who don't do much in part because they feel they are already forced to help others through taxes and that's all been legislated.

    More "us vs. them" stuff.

  • Sisteract
    December 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    What I think is funny is that many conservatives (especially those who love to fly the religious banner) think that they ARE just, moral and kind. 


    Quoting romalove:


    Quoting blues_pagan:

    You know I was thinking the same thing at first.  And then I realized that the moral thing is to help people who are smaller and less priveledged than you.  

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.


    My comment on this comment is, while I personally think that is the kind and moral thing to do, it's one thing to hope people will be kind and moral and another thing to legislate it.  I think when you legislate it, it doesn't allow people the chance to actually help one another, but instead to resent one another.


  • romalove
    December 28, 2012 at 5:07 PM


    Quoting Sisteract:

    What I think is funny is that many conservatives (especially those who love to fly the religious banner) think that they ARE just, moral and kind. 


    Quoting romalove:


    Quoting blues_pagan:

    You know I was thinking the same thing at first.  And then I realized that the moral thing is to help people who are smaller and less priveledged than you.  

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.


    My comment on this comment is, while I personally think that is the kind and moral thing to do, it's one thing to hope people will be kind and moral and another thing to legislate it.  I think when you legislate it, it doesn't allow people the chance to actually help one another, but instead to resent one another.


    I think there's plenty of hypocrisy all over the place.  My husband's favorite hypocrite is John Denver, who was a big environmentalist and wanted everyone to be green, but had large gas tanks put on his own property to ensure he could fly his private planes and vehicles.

  • JakeandEmmasMom
    December 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM

     

    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.

     What if nobody brought the boxes?  What if the boxes were provided by the stadium and the three people were responsible for dividing them up "fairly"?  In that scenario, which picture succeeded in dividing them up fairly?

  • Erinelizz
    December 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM
    Well, the stadium certainly divided them evenly in the first picture, but whether even=fair depends on your own personal beliefs about fairness in this situation:

    is it fair that everyone is given exactly the same so the "giving" is fair?

    or is it fair that everyone is given exactly what they need so the "outcome" is fair?

    One sounds economically fair, the other sounds morally fair.


    Quoting JakeandEmmasMom:

     


    Quoting Erinelizz:

    Lol, interesting!
    But this scenario isn't fair, right? That tall kid probably had to carry his box all the way to the ball field...why should he have to share it with the short kid? Who cares if he didn't actually need the box because he is naturally more privileged (although the box sure made his view extra-spectacular!). The short kid should have just carried two boxes if he wanted to make up for his, uh, shortcomings.

     What if nobody brought the boxes?  What if the boxes were provided by the stadium and the three people were responsible for dividing them up "fairly"?  In that scenario, which picture succeeded in dividing them up fairly?


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