Ryan-endorsed Wisconsin Republican: ‘Some girls rape so easy’

[nanaofsix531]

Ryan-endorsed Wisconsin Republican: ‘Some girls rape so easy’

By Stephen C. Webster
Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:57 EDT

 

Topics: Republican Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan ♦ Roger Rivard

 

A Wisconsin State Rep. endorsed by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan told a reporter that he believes “some girls rape so easy.”

State Rep. Roger Rivard (R) later insisted he was merely recounting a story from his father about the dangers men face in having premarital sex. Instead, he somehow wandered into a jaw-dropping commentary on how easy it is to accidentally rape women.

According to quotes reported by the Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel, Rivard explained:

He also told me one thing, ‘If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry.’ Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she’s not going to say, ‘Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.’ All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she’s underage. And he just said, ‘Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,’ he said, ‘they rape so easy.’

What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, ‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’ So the way he said it was, ‘Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.’

Responding to Rivard’s comment, Jenni Dye, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice Wisconsin, pointed out that Rivard voted against the Healthy Youth Act, a bill that would have required fact-based sexual education on an age-appropriate basis.

“Attitudes like those on display in Rivard’s statements are exactly why it is essential that sex education programs for Wisconsin youth include comprehensive and accurate information,” she said in prepared text. “Rivard’s statements are emblematic of the attitude advanced by many Republican legislators that women cannot be trusted regarding rape, decisions about their
healthcare, or reproductive choice.”

As it turns out, Rivard’s reelection efforts were recently endorsed by GOP vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) . “Roger needs to be reaffirmed to get this job done and fix the state of Wisconsin,” he said during a fundraiser in August. Interestingly, Rivard’s original comments on rape were recorded by a reporter with The Chetek Alert eight months before Ryan’s endorsement, but they went mostly unnoticed in the local Wisconsin news until just this week.

His Democratic opponent, former accountant Stephen Smith, told the Journal Sentinel: “I’m offended to think that my sister or my daughters would be thought of in that manner. I feel Roger is out of touch with the majority of voters and his views are extreme.”

The comments come at a crucial moment for Republicans in Wisconsin, who’ve narrowed the polling gap in the presidential race there to just three points, according to a survey published Thursday by CBS News and The New York Times. Similar comments by Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), who’s running for U.S. Senate, completely preoccupied the political media in America for nearly two weeks leading up to the Republican National Convention, and dragged down the party’s whole ticket thanks to ties between Akin and Ryan.

Both Akin and Ryan co-sponsored bills that would have denied federal aid to rape victims who weren’t also physically abused during the assault, and ban all abortions by defining fertilized embryos as “people” — a law critics said would force rape victims to bear their attackers’ child should they become pregnant. However, those links became politically toxic after Akin told a reporter that he believes women can “shut that whole thing down” if they become pregnantfrom what he called “legitimate rape.” Both Ryan and presidential candidate Mitt Romney called for Akin to step aside after that remark, but he refused. Today, many party faithful have since returned to his side, supporting Akin’s race against Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO).

Rivard said his comments were “taken out of context,” and forwarded a more carefully worded statement several hours after the original interview. “Sexual assault is a crime that unfortunately is misunderstood and my comments have the potential to be misunderstood as well,” the prepared text explained. “Rape is a horrible act of violence. Sexual assault unfortunately often goes unreported to police. I have four daughters and three granddaughters and I understand the importance of making sure that awareness of this crime is taken very seriously.”

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[Clairwil]

Quoting nanaofsix531:

He also told me one thing, ‘If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry.’ Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she’s not going to say, ‘Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.’ All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she’s underage. And he just said, ‘Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,’ he said, ‘they rape so easy.’

What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, ‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’ So the way he said it was, ‘Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.’

I see them wanting to follow the precedent set in some countries:

Qur'an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

[JakeandEmmasMom]

 That is just so gross.

[Kate_Momof3]

They feed off the fear of Sharia law and then become that which they claim they are protecting us from.

Despicable.

Quoting Clairwil:

Quoting nanaofsix531:

He also told me one thing, ‘If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry.’ Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she’s not going to say, ‘Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.’ All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she’s underage. And he just said, ‘Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,’ he said, ‘they rape so easy.’

What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, ‘If you’re going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.’ So the way he said it was, ‘Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.’

I see them wanting to follow the precedent set in some countries:

Qur'an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

[JonJon]

What's most disturbing about this conversation with daddy is that they were discussing underaged girls!  Instead of cautioning him to pick his underaged girls carefully, why didn't daddy say, "NO!  Sex with underage females is immoral and illegal!  Don't even think about it!  I don't want to encourage premarital sex but if you can't resist sex, it must be with a consenting partner (man or woman) of legal age!

[JonJon]

This man's daddy sounds as if he's date- or acquaintance- raped a few females, both minors and adults, and passed on some tips for doing so to his son.

[AlekD]

Nice traditional family values ya got there. Hypocrite. /smh. <----I am using that acronym SO MUCH now.

[nanaofsix531]

Ryan withdraws endorsement of Rivard after 'some girls rape easy' remarks

By Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: 12:48 p.m.

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Madison - Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan has dropped his endorsement of a Wisconsin lawmaker who said that his father had told him "some girls, they rape so easy" as a way to warn him that women could consent to sex but then later claim they hadn't.

Gov. Scott Walker condemned the comments by state Rep. Roger Rivard of Rice Lake as "indefensible," though the governor's statement stopped short of withdrawing his endorsement. U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson and groups that have backed Rivard have not yet responded to inquiries about whether they are standing by their endorsements.

It is the second time Ryan, a Janesville congressman, has withdrawn his support from a fellow Republican when they made comments about rape. In August, Ryan, Walker and other Republicans unsuccessfully urged U.S. Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri to drop out of his U.S. Senate race when he said women's bodies can "shut down" to prevent pregnancies in instances of "legitimate rape."

The latest flap surfaced Wednesday, when Rivard told the Journal Sentinel that comments he made in December to the Chetek Alert newspaper about his father's advice had been taken out of context.

"What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, 'If you're going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.' So the way he said it was, 'Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning,'" Rivard told the Journal Sentinel.

Ryan had endorsed Rivard earlier this year, but he has now withdrawn his support, according to Kevin Seifert, the campaign manager for Ryan's congressional campaign.

"State Representative Rivard's comments are outrageous and offensive," Seifert said in a statement. "Congressman Ryan believes there is no place in our discourse for rhetoric such as this. Congressman Ryan cannot support Mr. Rivard or his indefensible comments."

The flare-up comes as Ryan prepares for Thursday night's debate with Vice President Joe Biden.

Walker, who hosted a Sept. 17 fundraiser for Walker, issued a statement Thursday that criticized Rivard's comments but did not revoke his endorsement of him.

"State Representative Rivard's comments were offensive and disrespectful to victims of rape," Walker's statement said. "The voters of the 75th Assembly District will determine whether he has fully accounted for these indefensible comments."

Democrats have seized on Rivard's comments and used them to highlight cuts Republicans made to women's health care and changes they made to state law to allow schools to teach abstinence-only education and eliminate the ability of victims of sex and age discrimination in the workplace from suing for punitive damages in state court.

Rivard "has demeaned women and shown the extreme philosophies toward women that have taken deep root in the Wisconsin Republican Party," said a statement from Maggie Brickerman, executive director of the state Democratic Party.

Rivard has also received the endorsementsof the Tavern League of Wisconsin, the Associated Builders and Contractors of Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Grocers Association, the National Federation of Independent Business-Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Restaurant Association, Wisconsin Right to Life and Pro-Life Wisconsin. Like Johnson, those groups have not yet responded publicly to Rivard's comments.

Rivard faces Democrat Stephen Smith in the Nov. 6 election.

[JonJon]

The rat jumped a sinking ship.

Quoting nanaofsix531:

Ryan withdraws endorsement of Rivard after 'some girls rape easy' remarks

By Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: 12:48 p.m.

Who is Paul Ryan? Get the latest headlines, archive coverage, opinion pieces, PolitiFact rulings and more in our special section.

Election 2012

Visit our election section for complete coverage of the 2012 spring, fall and recall elections.

Madison - Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan has dropped his endorsement of a Wisconsin lawmaker who said that his father had told him "some girls, they rape so easy" as a way to warn him that women could consent to sex but then later claim they hadn't.

Gov. Scott Walker condemned the comments by state Rep. Roger Rivard of Rice Lake as "indefensible," though the governor's statement stopped short of withdrawing his endorsement. U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson and groups that have backed Rivard have not yet responded to inquiries about whether they are standing by their endorsements.

It is the second time Ryan, a Janesville congressman, has withdrawn his support from a fellow Republican when they made comments about rape. In August, Ryan, Walker and other Republicans unsuccessfully urged U.S. Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri to drop out of his U.S. Senate race when he said women's bodies can "shut down" to prevent pregnancies in instances of "legitimate rape."

The latest flap surfaced Wednesday, when Rivard told the Journal Sentinel that comments he made in December to the Chetek Alert newspaper about his father's advice had been taken out of context.

"What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, 'If you're going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.' So the way he said it was, 'Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning,'" Rivard told the Journal Sentinel.

Ryan had endorsed Rivard earlier this year, but he has now withdrawn his support, according to Kevin Seifert, the campaign manager for Ryan's congressional campaign.

"State Representative Rivard's comments are outrageous and offensive," Seifert said in a statement. "Congressman Ryan believes there is no place in our discourse for rhetoric such as this. Congressman Ryan cannot support Mr. Rivard or his indefensible comments."

The flare-up comes as Ryan prepares for Thursday night's debate with Vice President Joe Biden.

Walker, who hosted a Sept. 17 fundraiser for Walker, issued a statement Thursday that criticized Rivard's comments but did not revoke his endorsement of him.

"State Representative Rivard's comments were offensive and disrespectful to victims of rape," Walker's statement said. "The voters of the 75th Assembly District will determine whether he has fully accounted for these indefensible comments."

Democrats have seized on Rivard's comments and used them to highlight cuts Republicans made to women's health care and changes they made to state law to allow schools to teach abstinence-only education and eliminate the ability of victims of sex and age discrimination in the workplace from suing for punitive damages in state court.

Rivard "has demeaned women and shown the extreme philosophies toward women that have taken deep root in the Wisconsin Republican Party," said a statement from Maggie Brickerman, executive director of the state Democratic Party.

Rivard has also received the endorsementsof the Tavern League of Wisconsin, the Associated Builders and Contractors of Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Grocers Association, the National Federation of Independent Business-Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Restaurant Association, Wisconsin Right to Life and Pro-Life Wisconsin. Like Johnson, those groups have not yet responded publicly to Rivard's comments.

Rivard faces Democrat Stephen Smith in the Nov. 6 election.

[Kate_Momof3]

Of course he did now that the media has started looking at it. Those comments were public record for MONTHS and Ryan still chose partisanship over common decency.

Speaks VOLUMES.

Quoting nanaofsix531:

Ryan withdraws endorsement of Rivard after 'some girls rape easy' remarks

By Patrick Marley of the Journal Sentinel

Updated: 12:48 p.m.

Who is Paul Ryan? Get the latest headlines, archive coverage, opinion pieces, PolitiFact rulings and more in our special section.

Election 2012

Visit our election section for complete coverage of the 2012 spring, fall and recall elections.

Madison - Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan has dropped his endorsement of a Wisconsin lawmaker who said that his father had told him "some girls, they rape so easy" as a way to warn him that women could consent to sex but then later claim they hadn't.

Gov. Scott Walker condemned the comments by state Rep. Roger Rivard of Rice Lake as "indefensible," though the governor's statement stopped short of withdrawing his endorsement. U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson and groups that have backed Rivard have not yet responded to inquiries about whether they are standing by their endorsements.

It is the second time Ryan, a Janesville congressman, has withdrawn his support from a fellow Republican when they made comments about rape. In August, Ryan, Walker and other Republicans unsuccessfully urged U.S. Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri to drop out of his U.S. Senate race when he said women's bodies can "shut down" to prevent pregnancies in instances of "legitimate rape."

The latest flap surfaced Wednesday, when Rivard told the Journal Sentinel that comments he made in December to the Chetek Alert newspaper about his father's advice had been taken out of context.

"What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, 'If you're going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.' So the way he said it was, 'Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning,'" Rivard told the Journal Sentinel.

Ryan had endorsed Rivard earlier this year, but he has now withdrawn his support, according to Kevin Seifert, the campaign manager for Ryan's congressional campaign.

"State Representative Rivard's comments are outrageous and offensive," Seifert said in a statement. "Congressman Ryan believes there is no place in our discourse for rhetoric such as this. Congressman Ryan cannot support Mr. Rivard or his indefensible comments."

The flare-up comes as Ryan prepares for Thursday night's debate with Vice President Joe Biden.

Walker, who hosted a Sept. 17 fundraiser for Walker, issued a statement Thursday that criticized Rivard's comments but did not revoke his endorsement of him.

"State Representative Rivard's comments were offensive and disrespectful to victims of rape," Walker's statement said. "The voters of the 75th Assembly District will determine whether he has fully accounted for these indefensible comments."

Democrats have seized on Rivard's comments and used them to highlight cuts Republicans made to women's health care and changes they made to state law to allow schools to teach abstinence-only education and eliminate the ability of victims of sex and age discrimination in the workplace from suing for punitive damages in state court.

Rivard "has demeaned women and shown the extreme philosophies toward women that have taken deep root in the Wisconsin Republican Party," said a statement from Maggie Brickerman, executive director of the state Democratic Party.

Rivard has also received the endorsementsof the Tavern League of Wisconsin, the Associated Builders and Contractors of Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Grocers Association, the National Federation of Independent Business-Wisconsin, the Wisconsin Restaurant Association, Wisconsin Right to Life and Pro-Life Wisconsin. Like Johnson, those groups have not yet responded publicly to Rivard's comments.

Rivard faces Democrat Stephen Smith in the Nov. 6 election.