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Can anyone disprove some of the theories of Sandy Hook hoax? **4th edit, purple ** third edit in green/ cross out
by Anonymous
January 14, 2013 at 10:53 PM

woah... got up in the top convos!

ETA:  I never expected to get so many responses to this.  I'm way behind, and will need some time to catch up, answer, and read/ look into responses.  I do hope that people are starting to be a little more respectful, the intent of this post was NOT to start drama, I was simply asking for some facts to disprove some of the stuff I saw.  Thank you to those who provided that without being raging jerks about it.  From what I HAVE seen, my opinion now is that there are aspects of it being hidden still.... but it's nowhere near as big of a deal as some of these theories out here, especially the Temple of Whatever one.  Eeeeek.  I promise I will get back to people as soon as I possibly can, and please remember to try to be a little respectful here, people were killed!  I for one am not denying that.  


I'm really asking here.... I didn't believe this at first... but now... what the heck??  Does anyone have anything to add?  Disproving or with more info... whatever you'd like.  Very brief summary of the stuff I'm talking about.... will give further details if asked.  

*To be clear:  I don't think that nothing happened.... and all of this sickens me.  I just don't understand some of this stuff.....*

1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.  Still think this one is odd.  I still think this is weird

2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  Still not sure about this one either.  Granted, small town, he was probably nervous as shit.... but still.  Some of the stuff he said is being disproved.... like the weapons used for starters.  I don't like this guy still, again, get that he's nervous.... but come on.  He repeatedly said a type of weapon was used that apparenlty wasn't!

3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)  Alright alright, I should have clarified - I get that people react to things differently.  Why would he drum up the emotion though before the interview started?  You would think that's something that would just happen on its own... I still say that I understand that people handle grief differently, but his behavior was odd.  Sure, he could have been gathering himself, but he seemed plenty under control.   

4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother) I'm personally comfortable with the explanations provided..... For those asking for proof - I don't have a specific link.  Please look at the pictures for yourself, the sisters look similar, yes, but they are not the same person. 

5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk  to me, this is the biggest question remaining.  Still the biggest question for me.  

6.  The car he used not being his moms  granted, he could have stolen it.... but really.... doesn't seem likely. I'm going to cross this out (4th update) - assuming it's true it was someone the mother knew.... alright, coulda been borrowing the car.  We don't know their life.  (I reminded myself of baby mama movie there) 

7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)  still not sure about this one, yeah, people run when chased even if they are innocent.... but why was it never explained? I'll cross this out for the 4th edit, I still think that someone would have explained this better with so many questions being asked.  Actually no, I'm not crossing it out.  It's a valid question still, though the explanations are certainly feasible.  

8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.  I get that it was locked down, but that wasn't permanent.  Would like someone to provide a link if they can that shows anything to the contrary - may have already happened, but I haven't seen it yet. I'm about 300 replies behind at this point.  At least.

9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself  Still weird - I can't find a short video with this clip in it, in the 24 minute one, just look at it, tell me something isn't off there.  A family member of mine is an EMT, I checked with him about this, and according to him, emergency vehicles are NOT restricted access.  So is there another explanation?  (yes, I'm aware different areas can have different rules)

10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?  His interview makes no damn sense still, but I get the list was released to the town before media, so I scratched that one out.  Does anyone have any further questions about this one?

11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)  I don't think anyone touched on this??  Except for one answer about an echo  Ehhhh... okay.  Crossing it on the 4th edit.  

12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.   still wondering this.  Target practice or not.... stunned victims or not... that's a lot to pull off, especially for this kid in the amount of time he did it.   

13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?  VALID ID.... not just an ID.  ID's expire, ya know.   One poster said that hers didn't expire for 30 years - not being rude, but I don't think Ryan was old enough to have an ID like this.  Though, I realize it might have literally nothing to do with what happened, I just find it odd.  

14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  alright, guess this doesn't REALLY matter.... i'll scratch it out.

15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?  no one sits in the front of police cars - anyone have an answer on that?  I think in mass confusion, even if someone was not really a suspect.... police always err on the side of caution, and would put someone in the back.  When an ex of mine got arrested, I was a minor and happened to be with him, they put me in the back of a car just for transport so my parents could pick me up.  


ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their childs body?  I get it... but not a single one?  Someone stated that Noah's mother did - is there links to this info?

ETA #17:   Go do this.   

1) Go to google.

2) Search using this phrase "sandy hook united way"
3) On the results page, right under the search bar where you can choose images, web, etc, there should be a choice that says "search tools" at the far right. Click it.
4) You should see a bar underneath "search tools" pop up. There should be a choice that says "any time". Click it.
5) The drop-down box lists a choice for custom range at the bottom. Choose this.
6) A dialog with a from and to date should appear. Use the calendar on the right side of the dialog box and choose December 11th, 2012 for the to and from date. This limits the results of your Google search to pages that were indexed on that date.
7) Click "go" in the dialog. You should now be seeing the results for your search query indexed on that date. In the top few results, if not the very first, you should see the United Way page for the Sandy Hook school.

Full text:  

United Way extends our most sincere condolences and prayers to all those families affected by the devastating events in Newtown/Sandy Hook, Connecticut. While the eyes of the world may be on Newtown/Sandy Hook, to several staff, volunteers and contributors, Newtown is home. We will stand with the community and everyone affected directly and indirectly by this tragic event as we face the days and weeks ahead.

United Way of Western Connecticut is committed to providing support and resources where and when they become identified and needed. As people from our area and beyond respond to this heartbreaking tragedy, they are turning to United Way looking for ways to help. In response, United Way of Western Connecticut in partnership with Newtown Savings Bank has created the ‘Sandy Hook School Support Fund’ that will be able to provide support services to the families and community that has been affected.    

Disproved ^ makes sense that it was google error.   For those asking, there is a long history of cache errors.... please look into it.  

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Again - I WANT to be disproved.  If I argue back, it will be with video or clips.  I want someone to prove me wrong about this... I'm arguing as devils advocate, though I believe that some of this can't be just explained away.  I understand that in a chaotic event, things get mixed up, people react their own ways, etc... but some of this is too weird.  

Replies

  • Candi_gal
    January 15, 2013 at 12:38 AM

    That wasn't Emilie with Obama. The family photo was taken in 2010 and her little sister is now wearing Emilie dress 2 years later.
    Also that pic they compare it is so grainy. Here is the high resolution one to better see it and at another angle http://www.flickr.com/photos/76081602@N05/8361189988/sizes/l/in/photostream/
  • friendlymom5
    January 15, 2013 at 12:52 AM
    Thank you! Let the families grieve now! It must be like a kick in the teeth to all these families to have their childs death called a hoax!


    Quoting deepthinker:


    I addressed this stuff in another thread, but I'll do it again, LOL.

    1.  No footage released, with other school shootings it was blasted all over the media almost immediately- stills or small clips - for varying reasons.

    Different dynamic, small town, small children.  I also saw video footage, to me it was no different then other shootings, sky cams and interviews of witnesses. They don't usually show pictures or videos inside of an area where a mass shooting takes place.

    2.  The freakin ME.... saying they were on the 2nd floor... all the victims he knew of were shot "with the long gun".... the man seemed drunk, and deflected questions.  

    Again, small town... probably not use to this time of thing, news conferences, and publicity. He was also probably told not to release all the information.  You can't tell everything on TV when an investigation is taking place.

    3.  The one father pretty much laughing before his conference (not knowing cameras were on yet) then visibily turning on emotion.  (btw, he's not 57 years old... like public record shows)

    When tragedy strikes, people laugh, people cry, people react differently to things.  A friend of mine laughs at inappropriate times out of nervousness, it doesn't mean she's an actor, LOL.  I also think the guy could possibly be that age, he looks old in the face. But everything in public records don't pertain to one individual.  i have a very unusual name, and there are at least two people with the same name that show different ages if you look up public records.  means nothing.

    4.  The little girl with Obama looking exactly the same (same dress as her dead sister.... I couldn't do that as a mother)

    Hand me downs!  All the little girls look th exact same in the family.  The sister is only like a year younger, she could very well fit the same dress from an older family photo.  If she was already given the dress, why couldn't she wear it.  I'm sure even after the child died the parents didn't get rid of everything of hers, because she still have two sisters.  They probably played with the same toys, wore some of the same clothes, and slept in the same room.  means nothing.

    5.  4 handguns found inside now - but it was stated clearly over and over that they were shot with a larger gun - that was out in the trunk

    Just because you have the weapons don't mean you use them all.  Lot's of mass shooters have had extra guns and bombs, but they weren't all used or bombs detonated. also in breaking news stories not all information is correct in the beginning.  Word of mouth, assumption, false witness account... these things happen regularly.

    6.  The car he used not being his moms

    If he can get a hold of guns that weren't his, how hard is it to get hold of a car.

    7.  What about the people chased through the woods?  (video footage)

    Securing the area, it's done in all murder investigation a certain radius is searched and unusual people detained, it doesn't mean they were involved.  Wouldn't you run if a bunch of people in combat gear starting chasing you through the woods and you didn't know what was going on.

    8. The aerial views of the scene - no children.  None.  No one in a hurry.  There's not any footage of the scene either, there's 1 still shot of kids being led, with all the news coverage.... it just doesn't seem right.

    Think of a bank robbery with hostages, they do not have the people just running out all willy nilly.  because you have no order, no knowledge of who is who.  It has to be a controlled environment.  Also again, small town.  Immediately after reporters wouldn't be in the area.  It's gonna take time to get to the scene, and reporters were kept out of certain areas like all these types of situations. 

    9.  The report that showed a stretcher with a sheet over it being wheeled a few minutes down the road where the ambulances could actually get to.... which encompasses a ton of issues in itself

    Why?  Emergency personnel is not allowed into an unsecured area, and it's nothing new for victims to be wheeled to an awaiting ambulance at another location.  Emergency workers don't always pull up to the door.

    10.  The guy that had the 6 kids or whatever in his house..... why would an adult leave them there, he lived PAST the fire house, his story varies from female to male, and who just brings kids into the house and doesn't call the cops after hearing gun shots?  and why did he have a fatality list... when it wans't released until 2 days after he was interviewed?

    Witnesses story change unknowingly as information is released to them.  people also don't react to situations the way they do on the movies, doing or knowing everything to do, especially in an area that is not use to this. Also again, small town, everybody knwos everybody else.  it wouldn't be hard to find out who was killed.

    11.  The kid describing the events as it sounding like someone was pounding on a door.... no mention of anything else except banging.  (which, would be a blessing if that's true... but why wouldn't he hear anyone scream?)

    They didn't do full interviews with the kids, the asked kids questions in passing.  How many children would know what  real gunshots sound like if they are not exposed to guns or use to that enviorment.

    12.  how this scrawny ass kid with mental issues succesfully killed so many people with a hand gun.  Not that easy to hit moving targets, and I doubt that everyone just sat there.  

    Most of the children were in the same age group and class.  It wouldn't be hard to kill a class room full of kids, and children don't exactly react like adults.  They probably huddle in a group or he blocked the door.

    13.  How did he have a valid ID of his brother on him if he hadn't seen him in years?

    My mom still has my brother, my sister, and my old IDs, mail, clothes, etc. at her house...  Not uncommon for you to have things in your home form your kids, even as adults. People leave things at their parents home.

    14.  Why was his computer smashed to shit?  

    A man shoots up a school, he isn't stable...  I don't think a smashed computer means anything.

    15.  Who was sitting in the front of the police car?

    Again, detaining people for questioning does not equal guilt or involvement.


    ETA #16:  Why did NO parent see their child's body?  I get it... but not a single one?  

    They never let the family see the body immediately after a murder. You don't see the body until it's in the morgue.  A lot of times they will recommend you not see it, it the body is extensively damaged.


  • SweetChild63
    January 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM

    Seems to me you're expecting this to be clean and neat, like a CSI plot where all the cops have all the correct answers as soon as they roll up on the crime scene. Further this is a small town. The cops don't have the resources available to them were this to happen in a metropolitan area.Real life crime investigation doesn't work that way. Thorough investigation takes time. There will be rumors and gossip and misinformation and people running their mouths though they have very little knowledge. Bystanders looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Reporters looking to interiew anyone who'll talk. Also there is no major media in that town. That means it takes time for word to spread and for camera crews to reach the scene.

    People need to stop watching TV and try to understand how things work in the real world. 


    I know, no offense taken.... I'm just saying.   I want this to disproved.  

    Quoting winkyloafer:

    Note I never said anything about you.


    Quoting Anonymous:

    I'm asking you to prove that I'm being a dipshit... how often does that happen on here?  PROVE I'm a dipshit.  


    Quoting winkyloafer:

    Why are there not more in here? They are so much more interesting than these dipshit hoaxes.





    Quoting Nicoleb9:

    Boobs






  • SweetChild63
    January 15, 2013 at 1:00 AM

    No. That is NOT what the 2nd amendment is for. The 2nd amendment clearly states it's to protect the US from foreign invasion. 

    Quoting Mrs.Winchester:

    Funny how things like this happen during a time of a breaking economy and occupy wallstreet.  You know, the reason that we have the right to bear arms in the constitution isn't so we can go out and hunt.  It's so we can protect ourselves from our own government.  I hate to put on my tin-foil hat so early in the morning but I do think that losing gun rights could be a very scary thing for our country.


  • Mrs.Winchester
    January 15, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    I did not say that was the ONLY reason.  The writers of the Constitution did not add the 2nd Amendment for individuals to own guns for their personal use; they added the 2nd Amendment to protect the new country from internal insurrection and/or foreign invasion, or oppressive tyrannical government.  It's to protect us from the reason we revolted from the British to begin with. 

    In the first passage it states, "as passed by congress a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".  In other words,  it's the right of the states to be able to arm themselves to protect themselves from the federal government.  James Madison, when drafting the second amendment, clearly meant to write in a provision that would secure the right of anti-federalists and their militias from being disarmed.

    Quoting SweetChild63:

    No. That is NOT what the 2nd amendment is for. The 2nd amendment clearly states it's to protect the US from foreign invasion. 

    Quoting Mrs.Winchester:

    Funny how things like this happen during a time of a breaking economy and occupy wallstreet.  You know, the reason that we have the right to bear arms in the constitution isn't so we can go out and hunt.  It's so we can protect ourselves from our own government.  I hate to put on my tin-foil hat so early in the morning but I do think that losing gun rights could be a very scary thing for our country.



  • Anonymous 9
    by Anonymous 9
    January 15, 2013 at 4:12 AM
    What picture are you all talking about?

    Quoting StrawberryCool:

    Doesnt look shopped.



    And I can tell shopped pics




    Quoting Anonymous:

    I wish I could sit here and disprove it, but I can't. I'm one of the ones who believe it was some kind of set up.

    However, that picture of that girl with obama...seems like a strong possibly of photoshop. I don't really buy that one. She's in the exact same position, exact same facial expressions, as she was in tthe family picture.


  • Anonymous 9
    by Anonymous 9
    January 15, 2013 at 4:16 AM
    what youtube video?

    Quoting TashaB82:

    I just watched the 30 min YouTube video thAt was released today and I believe it was all a hoax now. A sad sad one

  • RMB2011
    by RMB2011
    January 15, 2013 at 4:19 AM
    Foreign and domestic.

    Quoting SweetChild63:

    No. That is NOT what the 2nd amendment is for. The 2nd amendment clearly states it's to protect the US from foreign invasion. 


    Quoting Mrs.Winchester:

    Funny how things like this happen during a time of a breaking economy and occupy wallstreet.  You know, the reason that we have the right to bear arms in the constitution isn't so we can go out and hunt.  It's so we can protect ourselves from our own government.  I hate to put on my tin-foil hat so early in the morning but I do think that losing gun rights could be a very scary thing for our country.


  • RMB2011
    by RMB2011
    January 15, 2013 at 4:19 AM
    I agree things don't add up.
  • Sassy762
    January 15, 2013 at 4:20 AM

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